the deficit is to get people back to work. right now, the price of money is cheap. you can almost get it for free. we should be investing in more economic development. >> so should this be part of the package? >> absolutely. what we need to do is -- i want to back up a bit. we're not raising taxes. the bush tax cuts were designed to expire. so we're saying let them expire. that's how they were designed. but not for the people under $250,000. you're not going to touch medicare unless you bargain on the price of drugs. don't damage the planned participants. but put money back into rebuilding the infrastructure of america. put people back to work. the jobs that will be created will lower the deficit instead of trying to beat up on poor people. >> the art of the deal, many people think the art of the deal has left washington and that this is going to be more people think the art of the deal has left washington and that this is going to be more stalemate. are you confident that democrats in red states will come around and hold the